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		<title>By: Disguises for Everyday Escape. &#171; Jamie Thornton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disguises for Everyday Escape. &#171; Jamie Thornton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 19:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some writers may think that&#8217;s cheating, but I think of it as collecting resources for inspiration. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: lisapaitzspindler.com&#187;Blog Archive &#187; Celebrities as Character Templates</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisapaitzspindler.com&#187;Blog Archive &#187; Celebrities as Character Templates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Louis Edelman also brought up this topic not too long ago on the Deep Genre blog in his post &#8220;Stupid Writer Tricks: Cast Your Characters&#8221;, the trick being to &#8220;cast all of the characters in your story with recognizable Hollywood [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Louis Edelman also brought up this topic not too long ago on the Deep Genre blog in his post &#8220;Stupid Writer Tricks: Cast Your Characters&#8221;, the trick being to &#8220;cast all of the characters in your story with recognizable Hollywood [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DeepGenre &#187; Stupid Writer Tricks: Choose the Right Tools</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeepGenre &#187; Stupid Writer Tricks: Choose the Right Tools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 15:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted in Miscellaneous at 11:05 am By David Louis Edelman Related Posts: Stupid Writer Tricks: Cast Your Characters&#160;&#124;&#160;Critique #24 &#8212; Rachel Dunne 2&#160;&#124;&#160;Why fantasy?&#160;&#124;&#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Posted in Miscellaneous at 11:05 am By David Louis Edelman Related Posts: Stupid Writer Tricks: Cast Your Characters&nbsp;|&nbsp;Critique #24 &#8212; Rachel Dunne 2&nbsp;|&nbsp;Why fantasy?&nbsp;|&nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Underwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin Underwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Casting your characters with recognizable Hollywood actors is actually a screenwriterâ€™s trick. The first time I heard about this was a few years ago in a screenwriting class. 

It's a great trick for screenwriting since .... well, since you're writing the script for actors to play and not for readers to read. Plus, screenplays arenâ€™t supposed to be as detail rich in the descriptive text as fiction, which is probably why it works so well. 

Although I found this a handy trick for writing a few short screenplays, it hasnâ€™t worked for me when writing fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Casting your characters with recognizable Hollywood actors is actually a screenwriterâ€™s trick. The first time I heard about this was a few years ago in a screenwriting class. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great trick for screenwriting since &#8230;. well, since you&#8217;re writing the script for actors to play and not for readers to read. Plus, screenplays arenâ€™t supposed to be as detail rich in the descriptive text as fiction, which is probably why it works so well. </p>
<p>Although I found this a handy trick for writing a few short screenplays, it hasnâ€™t worked for me when writing fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 21:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've heard some people talk about using an actor as a guide for a character's description or mannerisms.  Personally, that doesn't work for me.  Oddly enough, my very first characters came about through two completely different paths.

Some of my oldest characters (we're talking early 1970s) came about from playing with action figures.  The moment I was given an action figure I immediately discarded whoever the actual character was and used the action figure to represent my own character.  Between my younger brother and me we must have owned close to 30 action figures.  All are gone, victims of a curious Great Dane.

The characters I created have, on occasion, retained some element of the features of the action figure -- most often hair color, but nothing in regards to the personality of the original action figure itself.

The other place many of my original characters came from was simply from sitting down and writing out sections of the family tree of the characters I had.

I have another post (my first in this website) over on the "Writing My First Novel" section where one would understand why I have family trees.  (My stories and characters are all part of a ten thousand year history of 5 royal families, so family trees are essential).

In creating ancestors and decedents to characters I had been using action figures to portray, I ended up developing the relationships and history of the world (well, universe actually) where my stories all take place.

So, while I might find a small physical characteristic from an actor or politician or someone in my own life worth noting for reference, an actual person as a whole becomes more of a distraction for me.

That said, to add to the known authors, Anne McCaffrey has a character from her Pern novels that looks just like Bill Murray.  There is a book of sketches of her characters that contains the drawing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard some people talk about using an actor as a guide for a character&#8217;s description or mannerisms.  Personally, that doesn&#8217;t work for me.  Oddly enough, my very first characters came about through two completely different paths.</p>
<p>Some of my oldest characters (we&#8217;re talking early 1970s) came about from playing with action figures.  The moment I was given an action figure I immediately discarded whoever the actual character was and used the action figure to represent my own character.  Between my younger brother and me we must have owned close to 30 action figures.  All are gone, victims of a curious Great Dane.</p>
<p>The characters I created have, on occasion, retained some element of the features of the action figure &#8212; most often hair color, but nothing in regards to the personality of the original action figure itself.</p>
<p>The other place many of my original characters came from was simply from sitting down and writing out sections of the family tree of the characters I had.</p>
<p>I have another post (my first in this website) over on the &#8220;Writing My First Novel&#8221; section where one would understand why I have family trees.  (My stories and characters are all part of a ten thousand year history of 5 royal families, so family trees are essential).</p>
<p>In creating ancestors and decedents to characters I had been using action figures to portray, I ended up developing the relationships and history of the world (well, universe actually) where my stories all take place.</p>
<p>So, while I might find a small physical characteristic from an actor or politician or someone in my own life worth noting for reference, an actual person as a whole becomes more of a distraction for me.</p>
<p>That said, to add to the known authors, Anne McCaffrey has a character from her Pern novels that looks just like Bill Murray.  There is a book of sketches of her characters that contains the drawing.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Connolly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Connolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Thatâ€™s the only sucessful author Iâ€™ve heard of who used an actor, however, as a role model. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I heard that Anne Rice used Rutger Hauer as a model for Lestat and that Jim Butcher used a (younger) Jeff Goldblum as a model for Harry Dresden.

Maybe this sounds weird, because I've never heard anyone else say something like this, but I see my characters as comic book drawings.   The more page-time the character gets, the less detailed the image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thatâ€™s the only sucessful author Iâ€™ve heard of who used an actor, however, as a role model.
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<p>I heard that Anne Rice used Rutger Hauer as a model for Lestat and that Jim Butcher used a (younger) Jeff Goldblum as a model for Harry Dresden.</p>
<p>Maybe this sounds weird, because I&#8217;ve never heard anyone else say something like this, but I see my characters as comic book drawings.   The more page-time the character gets, the less detailed the image.</p>
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		<title>By: makoiyi</title>
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		<dc:creator>makoiyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm so glad you said that about the index cards, Sherwood. I did that with the novel that the thirteen lines comes from. I sat and meticulously did every single chapter. Then I sat, and I sat, and thought, why did I do that? What a waste of time, although I could see it working for others.

There are endless discussion over 'organic' writers or outliners or... Well, any kind of method you can think of. It truly is whatever works for you. The biggest learning curve is making seemingly effortless sentences, just like they do in the 'real' books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so glad you said that about the index cards, Sherwood. I did that with the novel that the thirteen lines comes from. I sat and meticulously did every single chapter. Then I sat, and I sat, and thought, why did I do that? What a waste of time, although I could see it working for others.</p>
<p>There are endless discussion over &#8216;organic&#8217; writers or outliners or&#8230; Well, any kind of method you can think of. It truly is whatever works for you. The biggest learning curve is making seemingly effortless sentences, just like they do in the &#8216;real&#8217; books.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherwood Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherwood Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, David.  PS your technique is not wrong--any techniques that &lt;i&gt;works&lt;/i&gt; for a writer can't be wrong--just seems that most of the people here are wired differently than you.  

I do think that throwing out various techniques is a good idea, because if it's worked for you, it's bound to work for someone else.  Someone, moreover, who might have been looking despairingly for just that thing to help them along.

Just for purposes of discussion, two very popular techniques don't work for me: interviewing characters (they live in their world, I in mine, and every time I try to set up a scenario in which we meet, bang!  I've lost my connection with the worlds and feel kinds, I dunno, like I'm just talking to myself.)

The other one is the pinning of index cards containing plot points all over.  No can do: they just remain cards on a wall, they don't relate to the structure of my story at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, David.  PS your technique is not wrong&#8211;any techniques that <i>works</i> for a writer can&#8217;t be wrong&#8211;just seems that most of the people here are wired differently than you.  </p>
<p>I do think that throwing out various techniques is a good idea, because if it&#8217;s worked for you, it&#8217;s bound to work for someone else.  Someone, moreover, who might have been looking despairingly for just that thing to help them along.</p>
<p>Just for purposes of discussion, two very popular techniques don&#8217;t work for me: interviewing characters (they live in their world, I in mine, and every time I try to set up a scenario in which we meet, bang!  I&#8217;ve lost my connection with the worlds and feel kinds, I dunno, like I&#8217;m just talking to myself.)</p>
<p>The other one is the pinning of index cards containing plot points all over.  No can do: they just remain cards on a wall, they don&#8217;t relate to the structure of my story at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Just \â€?E\â€?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just \â€?E\â€?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might be naive in asking this but wouldn't you run the danger of associating the casted actor with a character and somehow melding or perhaps losing your own originality. The familiar always seems to deter me from my own creativity. A character that I have that starts out complex, modeled against someone who exists, always somehow loses his levels of complexity and becomes cardboard.  A type. A Harrison Ford-type in an Indiana Jones-type story inevitably becomes Indiana Jones either in your mind or the mind of the reader because of the "association".  Isn't Tom Cruise always Risky Business or Days Of Thunder ... isn't Elijah forever Frodo? The most powerful associations seem to become the shortest leap for minds that are looking for that. Even when I don't want my mind to it does. 

Elaine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might be naive in asking this but wouldn&#8217;t you run the danger of associating the casted actor with a character and somehow melding or perhaps losing your own originality. The familiar always seems to deter me from my own creativity. A character that I have that starts out complex, modeled against someone who exists, always somehow loses his levels of complexity and becomes cardboard.  A type. A Harrison Ford-type in an Indiana Jones-type story inevitably becomes Indiana Jones either in your mind or the mind of the reader because of the &#8220;association&#8221;.  Isn&#8217;t Tom Cruise always Risky Business or Days Of Thunder &#8230; isn&#8217;t Elijah forever Frodo? The most powerful associations seem to become the shortest leap for minds that are looking for that. Even when I don&#8217;t want my mind to it does. </p>
<p>Elaine</p>
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		<title>By: David Louis Edelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Louis Edelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Au contraire, Kit. J. K. Rowling has said many times that she had Robbie Coltrane in mind from the beginning for the character of Hagrid in her Harry Potter novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Au contraire, Kit. J. K. Rowling has said many times that she had Robbie Coltrane in mind from the beginning for the character of Hagrid in her Harry Potter novels.</p>
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