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		<title>By: kateelliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>kateelliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 23:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, exactly.

Having the stubbornness to keep pushing the damn rock up the damn hill even after it rolls back down again.  Talent is wonderful.  Persistence is what really matters, though.  And the willingness to keep learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, exactly.</p>
<p>Having the stubbornness to keep pushing the damn rock up the damn hill even after it rolls back down again.  Talent is wonderful.  Persistence is what really matters, though.  And the willingness to keep learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Tiedemann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Tiedemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worse than that, those who manage to get published might not be able to continue publishing, and that is also a matter of the myriad vagaries of the business.  You might get published, but not by the right house to be able to capitalize on the best aspects of your particular work.  You might get published, but find yourself swimming upstream against the current fad.  In the "old days" when publishers actually backed their writers for the long haul, a book/writer might be "on the shelves" for years before finally catching on.  Today, you have three to six months.  Also, given the overwhelming influence of the bookstore chains, another factor enters in and that is absolute sales numbers.  If you don't perform at a certain level, your next novel might be the next &lt;em&gt;Gone With The Wind&lt;/em&gt; but if the chains won't take it, you aint' gonna sell it.

In my case, I had lousy timing.  I was submitting space operas at a time when spacer operas were "off the table" so to speak.  You couldn't tell this by what was in the bookstores, because lead time between purchase and publish being what it often is, space operas bought two, three years earlier (sometimes longer, depending on whether we're talking series) were still coming out, but in the cloistered realm of the publishers, no one was buying new ones.  I ended up publishing them small press--right before the explosion of Scottish New Space Opera, and because of the nature of things, the books have pretty well gone unnoticed.  If I had held onto them a couple more years and sold them to, say, Ace...but you don't know.  It's like divining the future with tea leaves.

The one true thing, though, is that persistence is the one consistently necessary element--those who pick up their marbles and go away, never succeed, and never know if they could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worse than that, those who manage to get published might not be able to continue publishing, and that is also a matter of the myriad vagaries of the business.  You might get published, but not by the right house to be able to capitalize on the best aspects of your particular work.  You might get published, but find yourself swimming upstream against the current fad.  In the &#8220;old days&#8221; when publishers actually backed their writers for the long haul, a book/writer might be &#8220;on the shelves&#8221; for years before finally catching on.  Today, you have three to six months.  Also, given the overwhelming influence of the bookstore chains, another factor enters in and that is absolute sales numbers.  If you don&#8217;t perform at a certain level, your next novel might be the next <em>Gone With The Wind</em> but if the chains won&#8217;t take it, you aint&#8217; gonna sell it.</p>
<p>In my case, I had lousy timing.  I was submitting space operas at a time when spacer operas were &#8220;off the table&#8221; so to speak.  You couldn&#8217;t tell this by what was in the bookstores, because lead time between purchase and publish being what it often is, space operas bought two, three years earlier (sometimes longer, depending on whether we&#8217;re talking series) were still coming out, but in the cloistered realm of the publishers, no one was buying new ones.  I ended up publishing them small press&#8211;right before the explosion of Scottish New Space Opera, and because of the nature of things, the books have pretty well gone unnoticed.  If I had held onto them a couple more years and sold them to, say, Ace&#8230;but you don&#8217;t know.  It&#8217;s like divining the future with tea leaves.</p>
<p>The one true thing, though, is that persistence is the one consistently necessary element&#8211;those who pick up their marbles and go away, never succeed, and never know if they could.</p>
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		<title>By: Muneraven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muneraven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.

I really appreciate established writers who persistently remind newer writers to be persistent.  I often wonder how many grand books have not been finished or certainly have not been published because a talented new writer drowned in the slough of despond.  A gift for storytelling does not always coincide with having the requisite amount of stubborness/optimism/pragmatism one needs to get through the business part of writing a book.  

I think it is quite remarkable, really, how so many writers who have, in some sense, "made it" care deeply about writers who have not.   And it clearly isn't fake.

Writers are my favorite people.  Followed closely, of course by readers.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>I really appreciate established writers who persistently remind newer writers to be persistent.  I often wonder how many grand books have not been finished or certainly have not been published because a talented new writer drowned in the slough of despond.  A gift for storytelling does not always coincide with having the requisite amount of stubborness/optimism/pragmatism one needs to get through the business part of writing a book.  </p>
<p>I think it is quite remarkable, really, how so many writers who have, in some sense, &#8220;made it&#8221; care deeply about writers who have not.   And it clearly isn&#8217;t fake.</p>
<p>Writers are my favorite people.  Followed closely, of course by readers.  <img src='http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Carol Berg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're welcome, Debbie.  Your question was a good one - and touches on so many important issues.

Kate wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Btw, aspiring writers should not use this as an excuse - itâ€™s not me, itâ€™s just that I didnâ€™t meet their requirements - the onus is always on the writer to make their work the best it can be. And to keep revising, writing new material, and pushing to improve the work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and 

Glenda wrote&lt;blockquote&gt;One mistake I think some beginning writers make is that they try too hard with revising their first book - or even first books.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think one of the best things a writer can do to for an early or multi-rejected book is to write another book. Only then go back and look at the first one.  It is amazing how distance, not just of time, but of words, can give you perspective on your writing.

Carol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome, Debbie.  Your question was a good one - and touches on so many important issues.</p>
<p>Kate wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Btw, aspiring writers should not use this as an excuse - itâ€™s not me, itâ€™s just that I didnâ€™t meet their requirements - the onus is always on the writer to make their work the best it can be. And to keep revising, writing new material, and pushing to improve the work.</p></blockquote>
<p>and </p>
<p>Glenda wrote<br />
<blockquote>One mistake I think some beginning writers make is that they try too hard with revising their first book - or even first books.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think one of the best things a writer can do to for an early or multi-rejected book is to write another book. Only then go back and look at the first one.  It is amazing how distance, not just of time, but of words, can give you perspective on your writing.</p>
<p>Carol</p>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Links for 07-03-2007 &#187; Velcro City Tourist Board &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Betsy Dornbusch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy Dornbusch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 01:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Applying craft does not destroy art.&lt;/em&gt;

No one can hear that too many times.  Good post, Carol.  Thanks.</description>
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<p>No one can hear that too many times.  Good post, Carol.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: glenda larke</title>
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		<dc:creator>glenda larke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, so much wisdom in that reply!

Debbie, so often publication comes down to sheer persistence - persistence in writing and learning your craft, persistence in marketing your MS.  Does "knowing" the right person help? Think on this - I was taken on by an experienced agent, who had once been an editor in a top London publishing house, in January 1991. Surely someone who "knew" people. She managed to sell a book of mine in 1998, for a 1999 publication date. And that wasn't even the same book that had  attracted her attention in the first place. &lt;em&gt;That &lt;/em&gt; book wasn't sold until 2002 - over eleven years of trying! And yet once published it was shortlisted for a "best fantasy novel of the year" award and has since gone on to be published in the US, and in French, German and Russian translation.

It's a mad business, this.

One mistake I think some beginning writers make is that they try too hard with revising their first book - or even first books. To be frank, most first books need to be stowed on top of the wardrobe and forgotten. They are part of the learning process, not for publication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, so much wisdom in that reply!</p>
<p>Debbie, so often publication comes down to sheer persistence - persistence in writing and learning your craft, persistence in marketing your MS.  Does &#8220;knowing&#8221; the right person help? Think on this - I was taken on by an experienced agent, who had once been an editor in a top London publishing house, in January 1991. Surely someone who &#8220;knew&#8221; people. She managed to sell a book of mine in 1998, for a 1999 publication date. And that wasn&#8217;t even the same book that had  attracted her attention in the first place. <em>That </em> book wasn&#8217;t sold until 2002 - over eleven years of trying! And yet once published it was shortlisted for a &#8220;best fantasy novel of the year&#8221; award and has since gone on to be published in the US, and in French, German and Russian translation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a mad business, this.</p>
<p>One mistake I think some beginning writers make is that they try too hard with revising their first book - or even first books. To be frank, most first books need to be stowed on top of the wardrobe and forgotten. They are part of the learning process, not for publication.</p>
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		<title>By: kateelliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>kateelliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Carol.  I think it is so important to emphasize, as you did, that "deserving" does not come into the equation.  Yes, there are plenty of times (even &lt;b&gt;most&lt;/b&gt; times) when a book is rejected because it is not good enough, needs revising, etc.  But there are also times when a book is rejected (and never published) not because it isn't as good as other work being published, but just because.


Btw, aspiring writers should not use this as an excuse - it's not me, it's just that I didn't meet their requirements - the onus is always on the writer to make their work the best it can be.  And to keep revising, writing new material, and pushing to improve the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Carol.  I think it is so important to emphasize, as you did, that &#8220;deserving&#8221; does not come into the equation.  Yes, there are plenty of times (even <b>most</b> times) when a book is rejected because it is not good enough, needs revising, etc.  But there are also times when a book is rejected (and never published) not because it isn&#8217;t as good as other work being published, but just because.</p>
<p>Btw, aspiring writers should not use this as an excuse - it&#8217;s not me, it&#8217;s just that I didn&#8217;t meet their requirements - the onus is always on the writer to make their work the best it can be.  And to keep revising, writing new material, and pushing to improve the work.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol, thanks for your thorough answer.  I appreciate that you took the time (twice) to answer me. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol, thanks for your thorough answer.  I appreciate that you took the time (twice) to answer me. <img src='http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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