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	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jenna</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/constanceash/misc/buffys-new-romance-season-8#comment-65597</link>
		<dc:creator>jenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Buffy’s bi now witch is something I saw coming if you look back at the Buffy faith relationship there was kind of sexual tension going on between them I didn’t read the comic book yet so I don’t know how I feel about the new slayer yet 
But this will open new sexual doors for Buffy maybe a spike slayer sandwich  wink wink  but slayer &#38; slayer sex has to be grate &#38; long lasting but I still  like spuffy shipping  better anyway i think this is a good thing I wonder what smg thinks of this  being that she just found out about it  about the same time i did</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buffy’s bi now witch is something I saw coming if you look back at the Buffy faith relationship there was kind of sexual tension going on between them I didn’t read the comic book yet so I don’t know how I feel about the new slayer yet<br />
But this will open new sexual doors for Buffy maybe a spike slayer sandwich  wink wink  but slayer &amp; slayer sex has to be grate &amp; long lasting but I still  like spuffy shipping  better anyway i think this is a good thing I wonder what smg thinks of this  being that she just found out about it  about the same time i did</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Andrew Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/constanceash/misc/buffys-new-romance-season-8#comment-62963</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Andrew Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be an ugly manner of expressing dissent, but if you want true ugliness, you should read the things people say about dissenting artists.

But to give a citation, here's what the Wall Street Opinion Journal &#038; James Taranto had to say about poets (including me) who disagreed with their upcoming pet war:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110003063

Admittedly yes, that's the political right, but I've seen the same sort of slurs from folk on the left, though more often in message board posts or sound bytes from someone picketing a movie, rather than a major (and easily linked) publication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be an ugly manner of expressing dissent, but if you want true ugliness, you should read the things people say about dissenting artists.</p>
<p>But to give a citation, here&#8217;s what the Wall Street Opinion Journal &#038; James Taranto had to say about poets (including me) who disagreed with their upcoming pet war:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110003063" rel="nofollow">http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110003063</a></p>
<p>Admittedly yes, that&#8217;s the political right, but I&#8217;ve seen the same sort of slurs from folk on the left, though more often in message board posts or sound bytes from someone picketing a movie, rather than a major (and easily linked) publication.</p>
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		<title>By: Constance Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Constance Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[ “The black community wants their art and their propaganda to be one and the same.” ]

That's worse than mangled. As anyone who has ears for period knows without even checking it out.

Check out LA REPUBL/QUE METISSEE:
CITIZENSHIP, COLONIALISM, AND
THE BORDERS OF FRENCH
HISTORY:

http://www.humanityinaction.org/docs/colonial_citizenship.pdf

and

[ ... they’ll attack any artist who wants to do anything other than &lt;em&gt;praise them as the day is long.&lt;/em&gt; ]

That is really, well an ugly manner of expressing dissent.

While not bringing in any elements that would provide point in a debate, yanno?

Love, C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[ “The black community wants their art and their propaganda to be one and the same.” ]</p>
<p>That&#8217;s worse than mangled. As anyone who has ears for period knows without even checking it out.</p>
<p>Check out LA REPUBL/QUE METISSEE:<br />
CITIZENSHIP, COLONIALISM, AND<br />
THE BORDERS OF FRENCH<br />
HISTORY:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.humanityinaction.org/docs/colonial_citizenship.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.humanityinaction.org/docs/colonial_citizenship.pdf</a></p>
<p>and</p>
<p>[ ... they’ll attack any artist who wants to do anything other than <em>praise them as the day is long.</em> ]</p>
<p>That is really, well an ugly manner of expressing dissent.</p>
<p>While not bringing in any elements that would provide point in a debate, yanno?</p>
<p>Love, C.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Andrew Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/constanceash/misc/buffys-new-romance-season-8#comment-62917</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Andrew Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm probably mangling the quote, but I believe W.E. Du Bois once said, "The black community wants their art and their propaganda to be one and the same."

The black community is hardly unique in this.

The feminist community, the gay community, the [insert name of] community do the same tricks.  Any time you get someone who styles themselves an activist, they'll attack any artist who wants to do anything other than praise them as the day is long.

I remember when "Poets Against the War" started up, the Wall Street Opinion Journal decided to style itself a poetry critic, savaging all the poets who appeared therein for singing anything other than praisesongs and rosy predictions for their upcoming pet war.  (Note: I was one of the poets therein.)

I think it's the duty of the the artist to take note of activists, but mostly ignore them.  If you create characters who are true to life, the activists will attack them for not being paragons of all virtues.  Meanwhile, regular members of those communities may be annoyed at spots where the characterization falls flat or steps into stereotype, but mostly will be pleased that they're actually being represented, rather than simply ignored.  Though if the activists cause too much of a ruckus, sometimes ignoring the community in question is the easiest course, if not the best one.

I think the best advice on the matter is from Virginia Woolf: "Write what you wish to write."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m probably mangling the quote, but I believe W.E. Du Bois once said, &#8220;The black community wants their art and their propaganda to be one and the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>The black community is hardly unique in this.</p>
<p>The feminist community, the gay community, the [insert name of] community do the same tricks.  Any time you get someone who styles themselves an activist, they&#8217;ll attack any artist who wants to do anything other than praise them as the day is long.</p>
<p>I remember when &#8220;Poets Against the War&#8221; started up, the Wall Street Opinion Journal decided to style itself a poetry critic, savaging all the poets who appeared therein for singing anything other than praisesongs and rosy predictions for their upcoming pet war.  (Note: I was one of the poets therein.)</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s the duty of the the artist to take note of activists, but mostly ignore them.  If you create characters who are true to life, the activists will attack them for not being paragons of all virtues.  Meanwhile, regular members of those communities may be annoyed at spots where the characterization falls flat or steps into stereotype, but mostly will be pleased that they&#8217;re actually being represented, rather than simply ignored.  Though if the activists cause too much of a ruckus, sometimes ignoring the community in question is the easiest course, if not the best one.</p>
<p>I think the best advice on the matter is from Virginia Woolf: &#8220;Write what you wish to write.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Constance Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Constance Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 06:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is the misapprehension that the Dolls are not prostitutes?

Love, C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is the misapprehension that the Dolls are not prostitutes?</p>
<p>Love, C.</p>
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		<title>By: b!X</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/constanceash/misc/buffys-new-romance-season-8#comment-62851</link>
		<dc:creator>b!X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Feminists are not happy.&lt;/em&gt;

More accurately, some feminists are not happy, based upon nothing more than a character list and a miscomprehension that the show is about prostitutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Feminists are not happy.</em></p>
<p>More accurately, some feminists are not happy, based upon nothing more than a character list and a miscomprehension that the show is about prostitutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Constance Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Constance Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might like looking at this, re &lt;em&gt;Dollhouse&lt;/em&gt;, the project Whedon's doing with Dushko.  Feminists are not happy.  They were anxious upon the first announcement of it back before the Writers Strike.  Now the Strike's over and they're putting out the casting calls -- and as SF/F Feminists say, it looks much like &lt;em&gt;Dollhouse&lt;/em&gt; fails the Frank Miller Test.

Whedon may not be able to get away with everything ... ?

&lt;em&gt;This is on Feminist SF -- The Blog: Essays by Black SF/F Authors Exploring History, Culture, Race &#038; thnicity »Dollhouse will fail the Frank Miller test&lt;/em&gt; -- Damn!  The link button STILL doesn't work on comments.

Also go here, because it provides the links to &lt;em&gt;Entertainment Weekly&lt;/em&gt;, etc., that authenticate the list of characters, etc. :

http://www.furiousnads.com/2008/03/official-dollhouse-character-descriptions/

Love, C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might like looking at this, re <em>Dollhouse</em>, the project Whedon&#8217;s doing with Dushko.  Feminists are not happy.  They were anxious upon the first announcement of it back before the Writers Strike.  Now the Strike&#8217;s over and they&#8217;re putting out the casting calls &#8212; and as SF/F Feminists say, it looks much like <em>Dollhouse</em> fails the Frank Miller Test.</p>
<p>Whedon may not be able to get away with everything &#8230; ?</p>
<p><em>This is on Feminist SF &#8212; The Blog: Essays by Black SF/F Authors Exploring History, Culture, Race &#038; thnicity »Dollhouse will fail the Frank Miller test</em> &#8212; Damn!  The link button STILL doesn&#8217;t work on comments.</p>
<p>Also go here, because it provides the links to <em>Entertainment Weekly</em>, etc., that authenticate the list of characters, etc. :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.furiousnads.com/2008/03/official-dollhouse-character-descriptions/" rel="nofollow">http://www.furiousnads.com/2008/03/official-dollhouse-character-descriptions/</a></p>
<p>Love, C.</p>
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		<title>By: ehjones</title>
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		<dc:creator>ehjones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I looked this article over hoping to gain some insight into one of my own projects.  Joss Whedon is great, there's no doubt.  I love the Firefly universe, the Buffyverse, Angel, and his comic work is stellar.  But you know, Whedon can get away with a lot of things a lesser known writer/creator can't.

I'm working on a comic book project (nothing on the scale of Buffy, or any of Whedon's work, certainly), and I've been facing a dilemma.  There's a young female character who is unsure of her sexuality.  She's a supporting cast member, not the lead, and her curiousity is only a minor plot point, but it leads heavily into the motivations of another character and a very large plot point in the future.  But I'm nobody.  I'm nothing, absolutely no comic book street cred.  I'm afraid that something like that, unless executed incredibly well (which I am trying to do, but, you know, self confidence and all...), will be an automatic rejection when it's submitted.  So I'm bouncing back and forth on whether I have the confidence to tackle this.  If I drop the subplot, then I'll have to do some serious re-working.

Season 8 of Buffy has been amazing, though, and seeing where it's going with this development will be fun.  And seeing reader reaction might help me determine where my own path should take me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I looked this article over hoping to gain some insight into one of my own projects.  Joss Whedon is great, there&#8217;s no doubt.  I love the Firefly universe, the Buffyverse, Angel, and his comic work is stellar.  But you know, Whedon can get away with a lot of things a lesser known writer/creator can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on a comic book project (nothing on the scale of Buffy, or any of Whedon&#8217;s work, certainly), and I&#8217;ve been facing a dilemma.  There&#8217;s a young female character who is unsure of her sexuality.  She&#8217;s a supporting cast member, not the lead, and her curiousity is only a minor plot point, but it leads heavily into the motivations of another character and a very large plot point in the future.  But I&#8217;m nobody.  I&#8217;m nothing, absolutely no comic book street cred.  I&#8217;m afraid that something like that, unless executed incredibly well (which I am trying to do, but, you know, self confidence and all&#8230;), will be an automatic rejection when it&#8217;s submitted.  So I&#8217;m bouncing back and forth on whether I have the confidence to tackle this.  If I drop the subplot, then I&#8217;ll have to do some serious re-working.</p>
<p>Season 8 of Buffy has been amazing, though, and seeing where it&#8217;s going with this development will be fun.  And seeing reader reaction might help me determine where my own path should take me.</p>
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		<title>By: Constance Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Constance Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whedon has a multitude of satisfied customers!

Love, C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whedon has a multitude of satisfied customers!</p>
<p>Love, C.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, I intended that post to go where it went. You folks have a search bar, I assume that you don't do anything to keep Google from spidering your archives (and how is it that Firefox doesn't know "spidering?" Firefox's dictionary is woefully short of technical terms from the internet.)  And the net is mostly timeless, so I posted it where it was relevant. 

I went out and bought issue twelve this afternoon, and I have to say that this is the best handling of the subject I've ever seen. (The subject being Someone being not exactly at the far ends of the Kinsey scale crossed with Buffy's "secrets are bad" theme.)

I've been 80/20 on the comics so far, but this one feels more right than most of the previous ones. (Though I will forgive a lot of sins for the Faith/Giles Emma Peel/John Steed cover.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, I intended that post to go where it went. You folks have a search bar, I assume that you don&#8217;t do anything to keep Google from spidering your archives (and how is it that Firefox doesn&#8217;t know &#8220;spidering?&#8221; Firefox&#8217;s dictionary is woefully short of technical terms from the internet.)  And the net is mostly timeless, so I posted it where it was relevant. </p>
<p>I went out and bought issue twelve this afternoon, and I have to say that this is the best handling of the subject I&#8217;ve ever seen. (The subject being Someone being not exactly at the far ends of the Kinsey scale crossed with Buffy&#8217;s &#8220;secrets are bad&#8221; theme.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been 80/20 on the comics so far, but this one feels more right than most of the previous ones. (Though I will forgive a lot of sins for the Faith/Giles Emma Peel/John Steed cover.)</p>
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