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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chandra needs to find an editor a good editor. I read red earth and pouring rain and it could have lost 200 pages</description>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Wire, in my opinion, has been the best show on television, hands down, for the past 4 years.  I really enjoyed the Sopranos, but I think The Wire far surpasses that show.

As for why, well, pretty much for the same reasons stated by Kate and Constance.

As for the language, yes, it is often foul, but realistically so.  As the series progresses they worked in the street slang that seems to be unique to Baltimore.

For nothing else, The Wire deserves watching just to study some brilliantly crafted characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wire, in my opinion, has been the best show on television, hands down, for the past 4 years.  I really enjoyed the Sopranos, but I think The Wire far surpasses that show.</p>
<p>As for why, well, pretty much for the same reasons stated by Kate and Constance.</p>
<p>As for the language, yes, it is often foul, but realistically so.  As the series progresses they worked in the street slang that seems to be unique to Baltimore.</p>
<p>For nothing else, The Wire deserves watching just to study some brilliantly crafted characters.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debbie,

I never figure that everyone will like the same stuff, or even that they should, or that it means anything if they do or don't except people will and do have different tastes.


So I think your perspective is a valuable one, to set against Constance and myself.

Also, the swearing is definitely enough to put people off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie,</p>
<p>I never figure that everyone will like the same stuff, or even that they should, or that it means anything if they do or don&#8217;t except people will and do have different tastes.</p>
<p>So I think your perspective is a valuable one, to set against Constance and myself.</p>
<p>Also, the swearing is definitely enough to put people off.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that anyone asked for my opinion, but I tried to watch &lt;em&gt;The Wire&lt;/em&gt; because I'd heard a lot of good things about it.  I really tried to like it but found it hard to get around the distraction of the characters constantly using bad words.  I even managed to put up with that until two characters kept saying "fuck" in every sentence and then the scene switches to another two characters and they kept saying "fuck" in every sentence.  I thought, "How can the series really be that original and groundbreaking if they can't even mix up their bad words some and at least give different characters different favorite bad words?"  So I never made it past the first disk from Netflix.  Maybe it's my loss, but you'll have a hard time convincing me of it.

As for some of the books I enjoyed reading in 2007 and would recommend:

For fiction:

&lt;em&gt;The Privilege of the Sword&lt;/em&gt;
by Ellen Kuskner

&lt;em&gt;Beka Cooper: Terrier&lt;/em&gt;
by Tamora Pierce
(though I like her previous books better)

&lt;em&gt;Inda&lt;/em&gt;
by Sherwood Smith


For non-fiction:

&lt;em&gt;The Pillow Book of Sei Shonagon&lt;/em&gt;
translated by Ivan Morris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that anyone asked for my opinion, but I tried to watch <em>The Wire</em> because I&#8217;d heard a lot of good things about it.  I really tried to like it but found it hard to get around the distraction of the characters constantly using bad words.  I even managed to put up with that until two characters kept saying &#8220;fuck&#8221; in every sentence and then the scene switches to another two characters and they kept saying &#8220;fuck&#8221; in every sentence.  I thought, &#8220;How can the series really be that original and groundbreaking if they can&#8217;t even mix up their bad words some and at least give different characters different favorite bad words?&#8221;  So I never made it past the first disk from Netflix.  Maybe it&#8217;s my loss, but you&#8217;ll have a hard time convincing me of it.</p>
<p>As for some of the books I enjoyed reading in 2007 and would recommend:</p>
<p>For fiction:</p>
<p><em>The Privilege of the Sword</em><br />
by Ellen Kuskner</p>
<p><em>Beka Cooper: Terrier</em><br />
by Tamora Pierce<br />
(though I like her previous books better)</p>
<p><em>Inda</em><br />
by Sherwood Smith</p>
<p>For non-fiction:</p>
<p><em>The Pillow Book of Sei Shonagon</em><br />
translated by Ivan Morris</p>
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		<title>By: Aliette de Bodard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aliette de Bodard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Sacred Games" was just awesome. I thought I was going to be sloughing my way through it, but instead I raced through it in a week. It's got everything. (I didn't even notice there was a glossary, though...didn't bother me at all)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sacred Games&#8221; was just awesome. I thought I was going to be sloughing my way through it, but instead I raced through it in a week. It&#8217;s got everything. (I didn&#8217;t even notice there was a glossary, though&#8230;didn&#8217;t bother me at all)</p>
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		<title>By: Constance Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Constance Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Wire is based on a book. "The Corner: A Year In the Life of An Inner-City Neighborhood," by David Simon and Edward Burns. The latter knew his Baltimore inside-out; he was a cop on the city's force.  I read the book when it came out, on the basis of hearing interviews with both of them.  The book was filmed as a series for HBO a few years later, using both real people from Baltimore and professional actors.

Then the HBO series team ('The Wire' was created by David Simon; executive producers, David Simon and Nina Kostroff Noble; co-executive producers, Joe Chappelle and Ed Burns; producers, Karen Thorson and George Pelecanos)  then decided to develop &lt;em&gt;The Wire &lt;/em&gt;; they used many of the same professional actors in this series as they did in the previous show.

Like Alice I'm not a fan of cops and gangstas and druggies and the noir streak of this nation that gets wider every decade since post WWI.

But there are so many exceptions to that by now that maybe it no longer is true. Noir &lt;strong&gt;is&lt;/strong&gt; what we've become: all corruption.  As the head of Baltimore's dockworkers union puts it with such sadness and bewilderment in season 2 of &lt;em&gt;The Wire&lt;/em&gt;: Once this was a country that made things, things that the whole world wanted and bought, real things.  Now it's about putting your hand in the other guy's pocket."

It's just the best distillation of what too much of the country and the world has become, best writing, best acting, most multi-layered, and never takes the easy way out.  But -- there is so much humanity and compassion, still tiny moments of triumph, of love, of communication and connection.  Friendship.  It's America.  We see what had been best about it.  We see how greed, basically, has allowed the worst of it to come to the fore.

As Alice said, it might take an episode or two to feel it out, and decide if it is right for you or not.  That seems to be the case for almost all arc seasonal television, even &lt;em&gt;Buffy&lt;/em&gt;.

I've recovered enough from whatever bug caught me Christmas Eve to start watching Season 4.

Season 5, and the last one, has wrapped -- this one is set in Baltimore's media - newsworld.

Season 1 was "The Corner;" the drugs, the trade, the junkies, the cops, the prisons, etc.

Season 2 was the docks and local and immigrant (Greek and Russian gangsters) gangs, bringing the global trade home in criminality too.

Season 3 was the legal system.

Season 4 is the schools.

Season 5 is the newsroom.

The team is now looking at trying to do an arc New Orleans series.  Simon grew up in NO.

Love, C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wire is based on a book. &#8220;The Corner: A Year In the Life of An Inner-City Neighborhood,&#8221; by David Simon and Edward Burns. The latter knew his Baltimore inside-out; he was a cop on the city&#8217;s force.  I read the book when it came out, on the basis of hearing interviews with both of them.  The book was filmed as a series for HBO a few years later, using both real people from Baltimore and professional actors.</p>
<p>Then the HBO series team (&#8217;The Wire&#8217; was created by David Simon; executive producers, David Simon and Nina Kostroff Noble; co-executive producers, Joe Chappelle and Ed Burns; producers, Karen Thorson and George Pelecanos)  then decided to develop <em>The Wire </em>; they used many of the same professional actors in this series as they did in the previous show.</p>
<p>Like Alice I&#8217;m not a fan of cops and gangstas and druggies and the noir streak of this nation that gets wider every decade since post WWI.</p>
<p>But there are so many exceptions to that by now that maybe it no longer is true. Noir <strong>is</strong> what we&#8217;ve become: all corruption.  As the head of Baltimore&#8217;s dockworkers union puts it with such sadness and bewilderment in season 2 of <em>The Wire</em>: Once this was a country that made things, things that the whole world wanted and bought, real things.  Now it&#8217;s about putting your hand in the other guy&#8217;s pocket.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just the best distillation of what too much of the country and the world has become, best writing, best acting, most multi-layered, and never takes the easy way out.  But &#8212; there is so much humanity and compassion, still tiny moments of triumph, of love, of communication and connection.  Friendship.  It&#8217;s America.  We see what had been best about it.  We see how greed, basically, has allowed the worst of it to come to the fore.</p>
<p>As Alice said, it might take an episode or two to feel it out, and decide if it is right for you or not.  That seems to be the case for almost all arc seasonal television, even <em>Buffy</em>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve recovered enough from whatever bug caught me Christmas Eve to start watching Season 4.</p>
<p>Season 5, and the last one, has wrapped &#8212; this one is set in Baltimore&#8217;s media - newsworld.</p>
<p>Season 1 was &#8220;The Corner;&#8221; the drugs, the trade, the junkies, the cops, the prisons, etc.</p>
<p>Season 2 was the docks and local and immigrant (Greek and Russian gangsters) gangs, bringing the global trade home in criminality too.</p>
<p>Season 3 was the legal system.</p>
<p>Season 4 is the schools.</p>
<p>Season 5 is the newsroom.</p>
<p>The team is now looking at trying to do an arc New Orleans series.  Simon grew up in NO.</p>
<p>Love, C.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Wire is an HBO series, short form (that is, each season is 12 or 13 episodes, and each season provides a complete story arc), dealing with cops and criminals in Baltimore.  It is not episodic tv;  that is, while each individual episode has a kind of a shape, they aren't little short stories of themselves.  You really have to see the entire season, in order, to get everything that is going on.  It's like Deadwood or Rome in that.  They're basically telenovelas.

I'm not into cops and criminals shows, but this one really gets down much more fully into characterization, motivation, and the real lack of black and white in any of these contexts.  The writing is strong, but for me what really gets me is the level at which the writers layer in details to fully evoke the world they're depicting and the way people function in that world.  It's just an exceptional piece of world-building and narrative form.

The first couple of eps of The Wire season 1 are slow, so you have to get through that basic set up.  If you do find yourself fully caught by, say, ep 3 or 4, then you're good for the ride.  I love this show.

I will note that it is violent, foul-mouthed, and by season three graphically sexual (in realistic ways, some of which aren't nice - that is, women offering sex in exchange for drugs), and that there aren't a ton of strong roles for women and the secondary roles for women are not nearly as strong as the secondary roles for men.  But it is testament to how good a show it is that I am willing to accept that they did not have the ability to go there or did not want to (season four gets into the schools and we begin to see many more strong secondary women characters) and appreciate what they are giving me.

Constance?  Your take?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Wire is an HBO series, short form (that is, each season is 12 or 13 episodes, and each season provides a complete story arc), dealing with cops and criminals in Baltimore.  It is not episodic tv;  that is, while each individual episode has a kind of a shape, they aren&#8217;t little short stories of themselves.  You really have to see the entire season, in order, to get everything that is going on.  It&#8217;s like Deadwood or Rome in that.  They&#8217;re basically telenovelas.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not into cops and criminals shows, but this one really gets down much more fully into characterization, motivation, and the real lack of black and white in any of these contexts.  The writing is strong, but for me what really gets me is the level at which the writers layer in details to fully evoke the world they&#8217;re depicting and the way people function in that world.  It&#8217;s just an exceptional piece of world-building and narrative form.</p>
<p>The first couple of eps of The Wire season 1 are slow, so you have to get through that basic set up.  If you do find yourself fully caught by, say, ep 3 or 4, then you&#8217;re good for the ride.  I love this show.</p>
<p>I will note that it is violent, foul-mouthed, and by season three graphically sexual (in realistic ways, some of which aren&#8217;t nice - that is, women offering sex in exchange for drugs), and that there aren&#8217;t a ton of strong roles for women and the secondary roles for women are not nearly as strong as the secondary roles for men.  But it is testament to how good a show it is that I am willing to accept that they did not have the ability to go there or did not want to (season four gets into the schools and we begin to see many more strong secondary women characters) and appreciate what they are giving me.</p>
<p>Constance?  Your take?</p>
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		<title>By: Sherwood Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherwood Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoo boy am I ignorant, I have no idea what &lt;i&gt;The Wire&lt;/i&gt; is.

Talk a little about it, please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoo boy am I ignorant, I have no idea what <i>The Wire</i> is.</p>
<p>Talk a little about it, please?</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We've watched 6 eps of Season 4 so far, and so far so good;  interesting  movements, and there seems to be a fair bit of deliberate paralleling this time around.  I really love this show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve watched 6 eps of Season 4 so far, and so far so good;  interesting  movements, and there seems to be a fair bit of deliberate paralleling this time around.  I really love this show.</p>
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		<title>By: Constance Ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Constance Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we need a topic that is the best of what we watched in 2007?

My favorite season so far of &lt;em&gt;The Wire &lt;/em&gt;is season 2.

I have the first disk of season 4 here; I'm waiting to be less sick-stupid to watch it though.

I watched so much good material on dvd this year.  I watched far more dvds than I read novels.  My non-fiction stayed about the same, I think.

Love, C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we need a topic that is the best of what we watched in 2007?</p>
<p>My favorite season so far of <em>The Wire </em>is season 2.</p>
<p>I have the first disk of season 4 here; I&#8217;m waiting to be less sick-stupid to watch it though.</p>
<p>I watched so much good material on dvd this year.  I watched far more dvds than I read novels.  My non-fiction stayed about the same, I think.</p>
<p>Love, C.</p>
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