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	<title>Comments on: Critique #87 &#8212; Linda Dicmanis, 5th revision</title>
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		<title>By: tchernabyelo</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/damon-knight/critique-87#comment-3377</link>
		<dc:creator>tchernabyelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't read the previous versions of this (but then, nor would a slush-pile reader...), so my comments are based solely on what's here.

The metal smell debate... blood is often described as having a coppery or metallic taste (I'm not convinced; mostly, it tastes salty to me),  but I've certainly never heard it described as having a metallic smell, and even if blood does, I agree with the point that it would be overpowered by the smell of decay - the traditional (and, indeed, equally cliched) "sickly sweet" odour.

The POV switch jarred, in particular because Areme appeared to communicate information just with a glance, which made me wonder if there was actually telepathic communication of some sort (remember, if this is fantasy, we don't know all the ground rules from the get-go).   If this is really Gierdor's story, then why not start with him?   Most of the first paragraph isn't really about Areme, it's about the setting, so why do we need to be in Areme's POV for that?   Although in fact we seem to be in omni POV, not Geirdor's, anyway - or, in fact, are we still in Areme's POV, and is this him thinking about Geirdor?

I'm not really sure I'm hooked at this point.   You've set the scene well, in terms of description, but I've got a POV character I know nothing about, another character who's clearly a villain, and a vague sense of someone approaching (assuming Areme is right).   That's just not quite enough for me.   But your use of language, your cadence and pacing, are jgood enough (the comment re Geirdor's amiability, as noted above, excepted) that I'd probably read on to find out more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the previous versions of this (but then, nor would a slush-pile reader&#8230;), so my comments are based solely on what&#8217;s here.</p>
<p>The metal smell debate&#8230; blood is often described as having a coppery or metallic taste (I&#8217;m not convinced; mostly, it tastes salty to me),  but I&#8217;ve certainly never heard it described as having a metallic smell, and even if blood does, I agree with the point that it would be overpowered by the smell of decay - the traditional (and, indeed, equally cliched) &#8220;sickly sweet&#8221; odour.</p>
<p>The POV switch jarred, in particular because Areme appeared to communicate information just with a glance, which made me wonder if there was actually telepathic communication of some sort (remember, if this is fantasy, we don&#8217;t know all the ground rules from the get-go).   If this is really Gierdor&#8217;s story, then why not start with him?   Most of the first paragraph isn&#8217;t really about Areme, it&#8217;s about the setting, so why do we need to be in Areme&#8217;s POV for that?   Although in fact we seem to be in omni POV, not Geirdor&#8217;s, anyway - or, in fact, are we still in Areme&#8217;s POV, and is this him thinking about Geirdor?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not really sure I&#8217;m hooked at this point.   You&#8217;ve set the scene well, in terms of description, but I&#8217;ve got a POV character I know nothing about, another character who&#8217;s clearly a villain, and a vague sense of someone approaching (assuming Areme is right).   That&#8217;s just not quite enough for me.   But your use of language, your cadence and pacing, are jgood enough (the comment re Geirdor&#8217;s amiability, as noted above, excepted) that I&#8217;d probably read on to find out more.</p>
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		<title>By: kateelliott</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I as the reader move more smoothly through the opening with this version.

If the word 'beggar' is a problem in context, something like "a man fallen on hard times" might work, although beggar is short and sweet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I as the reader move more smoothly through the opening with this version.</p>
<p>If the word &#8216;beggar&#8217; is a problem in context, something like &#8220;a man fallen on hard times&#8221; might work, although beggar is short and sweet.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Andrew Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/damon-knight/critique-87#comment-3236</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Andrew Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, blood smells of iron and consequently anything bloody will also smell of iron, which is of course a metal.  My concern is that, at the state of decomposition the corpse is in, the putrescence (and that smell) will overpower the blood smell.  This is of course a factor of the heat and humidity.  If the body is drying into jerky without much chance to rot, it could be possible.

Glad to hear there's an editor liking the story.  This here is all just nitting the first few lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, blood smells of iron and consequently anything bloody will also smell of iron, which is of course a metal.  My concern is that, at the state of decomposition the corpse is in, the putrescence (and that smell) will overpower the blood smell.  This is of course a factor of the heat and humidity.  If the body is drying into jerky without much chance to rot, it could be possible.</p>
<p>Glad to hear there&#8217;s an editor liking the story.  This here is all just nitting the first few lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Underwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin Underwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had no idea that metal had a smell. Is this in the smelting process? Or in the cooling process? Or is my nose just out of whack? 

This is a serious question. I swear. I love including smells in my writing and I'm curious about this bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea that metal had a smell. Is this in the smelting process? Or in the cooling process? Or is my nose just out of whack? </p>
<p>This is a serious question. I swear. I love including smells in my writing and I&#8217;m curious about this bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Dicmanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Dicmanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops! omitting the fat was a bit of a blunder!

I fixed the strung up too.

re corpses smelling like metal - they do. The only thing wrong with using this description is that it has been used so often by so many it's a cliche - but I like it, so it stays.

Lucky for me a short story publisher and an editor both just told me this story was hot, so it works where it needs to. Yay!

But that won't stop me tweaking tweaking, tweaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! omitting the fat was a bit of a blunder!</p>
<p>I fixed the strung up too.</p>
<p>re corpses smelling like metal - they do. The only thing wrong with using this description is that it has been used so often by so many it&#8217;s a cliche - but I like it, so it stays.</p>
<p>Lucky for me a short story publisher and an editor both just told me this story was hot, so it works where it needs to. Yay!</p>
<p>But that won&#8217;t stop me tweaking tweaking, tweaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Andrew Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/damon-knight/critique-87#comment-3191</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Andrew Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 18:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda,

Gierdor is actually "amiable"?  That's what you're saying now.

Still the same objection to corpses smelling of "metal" (they don't) and an unvoiced (till now) objection to the trouble of Geirdor being "wiliest" while still trying to pull off the "fat beggar" disguise.  Surely a wily man would think of something more convincing?  Readers will not believe an author who says "wiliest" when what they see reads as "icky and mad."  This is one of the big shortcomings of the full omniscient--characters can be inaccurate in their observations, but the narrator is not allowed this.

There's also a discrepancy between "strung up" (meaning hung) and "nailed to a tree" (meaning crucified).  If the King's Men do hangings, who's going to think a crucifixion is one of theirs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda,</p>
<p>Gierdor is actually &#8220;amiable&#8221;?  That&#8217;s what you&#8217;re saying now.</p>
<p>Still the same objection to corpses smelling of &#8220;metal&#8221; (they don&#8217;t) and an unvoiced (till now) objection to the trouble of Geirdor being &#8220;wiliest&#8221; while still trying to pull off the &#8220;fat beggar&#8221; disguise.  Surely a wily man would think of something more convincing?  Readers will not believe an author who says &#8220;wiliest&#8221; when what they see reads as &#8220;icky and mad.&#8221;  This is one of the big shortcomings of the full omniscient&#8211;characters can be inaccurate in their observations, but the narrator is not allowed this.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a discrepancy between &#8220;strung up&#8221; (meaning hung) and &#8220;nailed to a tree&#8221; (meaning crucified).  If the King&#8217;s Men do hangings, who&#8217;s going to think a crucifixion is one of theirs?</p>
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