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	<title>Comments on: You May Ask Yourself, &#8220;How Did I Get Here?&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Writing and Reading. Commerce and Art. Fantasy and Science Fiction. Discuss.</description>
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		<title>By: Mitch Wagner</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/kateelliott/craft/changing-horses-in-mid-stream#comment-8656</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 07:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantasy and science fiction both tell truths by using metaphor. Fantasy uses the authority of the occult, and science fiction appeals to the authority of science -- but the overwhelming majority of science fiction has very little to do with &lt;em&gt;actual&lt;/em&gt; science. The best science-fiction writers understand this, and work both sides of the street as the mood strikes them. Two examples: Poul Anderson and Charles Stross.

Gyp, you're mistaken -- faster-than-light travel is just as impossible as vampires. There is no scientific evidence to suggest that either are possible, except as metaphors. I'd love to be wrong about that -- I'd love to get on a spaceship and arrive one week later on a distant planet -- but it's just plain impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantasy and science fiction both tell truths by using metaphor. Fantasy uses the authority of the occult, and science fiction appeals to the authority of science &#8212; but the overwhelming majority of science fiction has very little to do with <em>actual</em> science. The best science-fiction writers understand this, and work both sides of the street as the mood strikes them. Two examples: Poul Anderson and Charles Stross.</p>
<p>Gyp, you&#8217;re mistaken &#8212; faster-than-light travel is just as impossible as vampires. There is no scientific evidence to suggest that either are possible, except as metaphors. I&#8217;d love to be wrong about that &#8212; I&#8217;d love to get on a spaceship and arrive one week later on a distant planet &#8212; but it&#8217;s just plain impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/kateelliott/craft/changing-horses-in-mid-stream#comment-8645</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I look at Science Fiction and Fantasy as one big genre, with many subgenres.  Since I grew up reading Andre Norton more than any other author, I'm used to both from the same author.  Andre Norton had the ability to successfully combine Science Fiction and Fantasy into the same story.  I personally refer to this as Science Fantasy.

Stories like Star Wars and Andre Norton's Witch World fall into this category for me.

But no matter how many subgenres or mixing and matching that I can categorize, I tend to view both as part of one large genre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I look at Science Fiction and Fantasy as one big genre, with many subgenres.  Since I grew up reading Andre Norton more than any other author, I&#8217;m used to both from the same author.  Andre Norton had the ability to successfully combine Science Fiction and Fantasy into the same story.  I personally refer to this as Science Fantasy.</p>
<p>Stories like Star Wars and Andre Norton&#8217;s Witch World fall into this category for me.</p>
<p>But no matter how many subgenres or mixing and matching that I can categorize, I tend to view both as part of one large genre.</p>
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		<title>By: kateelliott</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/kateelliott/craft/changing-horses-in-mid-stream#comment-8634</link>
		<dc:creator>kateelliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  I agree with Mitch on this issue of one big genre.

Science fiction actually has a pretty lousy record of prediction culturally - think of how thoroughly feminism (and the Pill, and the sexual revolution as meaningful to female sexual choice, forex) was not envisioned back in the Golden Age.

One might argue that vampires DO exist - metaphorically, and in that way, truthfully.  Whether genetic engineering could create bloodsucking humans who need human blood to survive is another issue, of course, but I would argue that sf &#38; f like all narrative are ultimately about the human condition, and insofar as they illuminate the human condition, or entertain us, they are successful - regardless of the mechanisms they use to tell the tale.

That's just me, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  I agree with Mitch on this issue of one big genre.</p>
<p>Science fiction actually has a pretty lousy record of prediction culturally - think of how thoroughly feminism (and the Pill, and the sexual revolution as meaningful to female sexual choice, forex) was not envisioned back in the Golden Age.</p>
<p>One might argue that vampires DO exist - metaphorically, and in that way, truthfully.  Whether genetic engineering could create bloodsucking humans who need human blood to survive is another issue, of course, but I would argue that sf &amp; f like all narrative are ultimately about the human condition, and insofar as they illuminate the human condition, or entertain us, they are successful - regardless of the mechanisms they use to tell the tale.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s just me, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Gyp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gyp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Vampires and faster-than-light drives are both impossibleâ€“so why do we classify one kind of story as 'science fiction' and another as 'fantasy.'"

Well, I'm no author, but I would venture to say that it's because science fiction appeals to science fact and suspends disbelief by telling half-truths. Also, a lot of good science fiction has actually predicted technologies that actually came about (such as the cell phone). Fantasy suspends disbelief by appealing to spirits or magic or some supernatural cause, and really there's no way that our society will acquire these things as it develops and matures.

Esentially, it boils down to the fact that vampires will NEVER exist. Faster-than-light drives, however, might actually happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Vampires and faster-than-light drives are both impossibleâ€“so why do we classify one kind of story as &#8217;science fiction&#8217; and another as &#8216;fantasy.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m no author, but I would venture to say that it&#8217;s because science fiction appeals to science fact and suspends disbelief by telling half-truths. Also, a lot of good science fiction has actually predicted technologies that actually came about (such as the cell phone). Fantasy suspends disbelief by appealing to spirits or magic or some supernatural cause, and really there&#8217;s no way that our society will acquire these things as it develops and matures.</p>
<p>Esentially, it boils down to the fact that vampires will NEVER exist. Faster-than-light drives, however, might actually happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Wagner</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/kateelliott/craft/changing-horses-in-mid-stream#comment-8334</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristine Smith:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I have not had a book flip genres on me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is tangential, but that comment caused me to raise an eyebrow. "My book hasn't flipped genres," I said to myself. "It's just gone from fantasy to soft science fiction."

Then I realized that I'm operating from a set of assumptions that are distinct minority. I consider fantasy and science fiction to be one big genre, and don't see a great wall between them. 

Vampires and faster-than-light drives are both impossible--so why do we classify one kind of story as "science fiction" and another as "fantasy."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristine Smith:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have not had a book flip genres on me.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is tangential, but that comment caused me to raise an eyebrow. &#8220;My book hasn&#8217;t flipped genres,&#8221; I said to myself. &#8220;It&#8217;s just gone from fantasy to soft science fiction.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then I realized that I&#8217;m operating from a set of assumptions that are distinct minority. I consider fantasy and science fiction to be one big genre, and don&#8217;t see a great wall between them. </p>
<p>Vampires and faster-than-light drives are both impossible&#8211;so why do we classify one kind of story as &#8220;science fiction&#8221; and another as &#8220;fantasy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Dornbusch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betsy Dornbusch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 05:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've had characters merge.  I've had good guys go bad.  I've had bad guys justify their behavior.   I've had lines and scenes that I just couldn't delete that took me three books of a series to realize &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt;.  My instinct is to go back and rework, but I try to forge ahead until I get a complete draft.  For me that's the hardest part.  Then I allow myself to repair.  I've found revision and fixing the set-up is much more efficient when I know the complete arc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had characters merge.  I&#8217;ve had good guys go bad.  I&#8217;ve had bad guys justify their behavior.   I&#8217;ve had lines and scenes that I just couldn&#8217;t delete that took me three books of a series to realize <em>why</em>.  My instinct is to go back and rework, but I try to forge ahead until I get a complete draft.  For me that&#8217;s the hardest part.  Then I allow myself to repair.  I&#8217;ve found revision and fixing the set-up is much more efficient when I know the complete arc.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch Wagner</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/kateelliott/craft/changing-horses-in-mid-stream#comment-8188</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great responses -- thanks, all. 

Finding I have nothing particularly intelligent to add at the moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great responses &#8212; thanks, all. </p>
<p>Finding I have nothing particularly intelligent to add at the moment.</p>
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		<title>By: green_knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>green_knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Count me in on the 'it's a feature' side of things.

If I find that I have a strong revelation of this kind, I go back, and I fix the beginning until I am happy. Like Carol, I find that too much changes in that process, and if the changes are major in nature, it's better to have them on screen (and not to have to rewrite a large chunk when I think I'm finished.)

With my current project, I soldiered on, because while things were shifting, there were several shifts in several directions - I very much explore-as-I-write, and will shortly arrive in revision-land...

Every book is different. Do whatever feels right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count me in on the &#8216;it&#8217;s a feature&#8217; side of things.</p>
<p>If I find that I have a strong revelation of this kind, I go back, and I fix the beginning until I am happy. Like Carol, I find that too much changes in that process, and if the changes are major in nature, it&#8217;s better to have them on screen (and not to have to rewrite a large chunk when I think I&#8217;m finished.)</p>
<p>With my current project, I soldiered on, because while things were shifting, there were several shifts in several directions - I very much explore-as-I-write, and will shortly arrive in revision-land&#8230;</p>
<p>Every book is different. Do whatever feels right.</p>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Links for 31-12-2006 &#187; Velcro City Tourist Board &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 02:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 2 - You May Ask Yourself, â€œHow Did I Get Here?â€ &#8220;I can think of few things more exciting, in writerly terms, than a story that begins talking back.&#8221; Kate Elliott on dealing with stories that run away with their writers. (tags: independent life evolution development plot novels stories literature writing) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 2 - You May Ask Yourself, â€œHow Did I Get Here?â€ &#8220;I can think of few things more exciting, in writerly terms, than a story that begins talking back.&#8221; Kate Elliott on dealing with stories that run away with their writers. (tags: independent life evolution development plot novels stories literature writing) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Berg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 00:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one who starts out with no more than a character in a situation, I have certainly come upon these "revelatory moments."  I've realized that a character that I thought was a man was actually a woman, and I've discovered character motivations, and whole plot truths like "oh THAT'S what the villains are really doing."  

I find that I can't go forward until I go back and work this into the prior text, because a revelation of this kind has tentacles that can touch other characters and events along the way, and I don't really know how until I write it into the story.

I am with Kate...this is no flaw or problem.  This is a story taking on life.  Enjoy!

Carol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who starts out with no more than a character in a situation, I have certainly come upon these &#8220;revelatory moments.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve realized that a character that I thought was a man was actually a woman, and I&#8217;ve discovered character motivations, and whole plot truths like &#8220;oh THAT&#8217;S what the villains are really doing.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I find that I can&#8217;t go forward until I go back and work this into the prior text, because a revelation of this kind has tentacles that can touch other characters and events along the way, and I don&#8217;t really know how until I write it into the story.</p>
<p>I am with Kate&#8230;this is no flaw or problem.  This is a story taking on life.  Enjoy!</p>
<p>Carol</p>
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