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		<title>By: Sam Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/katharinekerr/misc/gloom-and-doom-review-style#comment-35863</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Digression from main topic follows: Iâ€™ve come to think that the editors were probably right about making the book more linear. Why? Because itâ€™s the beginning of the end of the series, thatâ€™s why!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually that's the explanation that I came to when I finished the book, so when there was another past life incident in "The Spirit Stone" I was surprised.

I'm braced more for the end of the series than the way in which it is told.

I've been following the series since the second book came out in the UK and the idea that the characters and setting will be "frozen in amber", never to develop or change again beyond their final state, is a sad one - perhaps an interesting topic for another blog, it'd be enlightening to know how it feels from the author side of things.

It is, however, also a sign of success in producing characters (and the kingdom of deverry is as much a character as the people IMO) that develop and have personality - wanting to know what they did next, even after "the plot" is finished, that's the sign of a master storyteller.

Anyway, I've headed way off the original topic now, I'd best stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Digression from main topic follows: Iâ€™ve come to think that the editors were probably right about making the book more linear. Why? Because itâ€™s the beginning of the end of the series, thatâ€™s why!</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually that&#8217;s the explanation that I came to when I finished the book, so when there was another past life incident in &#8220;The Spirit Stone&#8221; I was surprised.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m braced more for the end of the series than the way in which it is told.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been following the series since the second book came out in the UK and the idea that the characters and setting will be &#8220;frozen in amber&#8221;, never to develop or change again beyond their final state, is a sad one - perhaps an interesting topic for another blog, it&#8217;d be enlightening to know how it feels from the author side of things.</p>
<p>It is, however, also a sign of success in producing characters (and the kingdom of deverry is as much a character as the people IMO) that develop and have personality - wanting to know what they did next, even after &#8220;the plot&#8221; is finished, that&#8217;s the sign of a master storyteller.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ve headed way off the original topic now, I&#8217;d best stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Katharine Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katharine Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, those are all good points.  A throwaway line definitely hurts authors the worst!  The mind worries at that kind of remark like a terrier with a dead rat.  When my husband had a comedy teams as a cabaret act, he ran afoul of a reviewer who could not get the group's admittedly weird kind of humor.  This fellow would be reviewing a movie, for example, and drag in "Unlike the Congress of Wonders, this film is fuunny."  It drove the group nuts, as you can imagine.

Digression from main topic follows:  I've come to think that the editors were probably right about making the book more linear.  Why?  Because it's the beginning of the end of the series, that's why!   I got one email from a reader who thought "Gerran gave up too easily about getting Branna."   Well, the point was that Gerran had &lt;strong&gt;learned&lt;/strong&gt;  from past experience, though he couldn't remember the details.  That's one point of the entire series, after all.   Everyone knows that Neb and Branna will get together.  Why build up false suspense?

The last past life incident is the one in STONE, which closes the pattern set up in Books 1 and 2. There won't be one in THE SHADOW ISLE.  I tell you this now so you can brace yourself.  :-)  Things have to come to an end &lt;strong&gt;somewhere&lt;/strong&gt;.  Of course, now that I saw this so confidently, my unconscious mind will probably demand some kind of flashback . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, those are all good points.  A throwaway line definitely hurts authors the worst!  The mind worries at that kind of remark like a terrier with a dead rat.  When my husband had a comedy teams as a cabaret act, he ran afoul of a reviewer who could not get the group&#8217;s admittedly weird kind of humor.  This fellow would be reviewing a movie, for example, and drag in &#8220;Unlike the Congress of Wonders, this film is fuunny.&#8221;  It drove the group nuts, as you can imagine.</p>
<p>Digression from main topic follows:  I&#8217;ve come to think that the editors were probably right about making the book more linear.  Why?  Because it&#8217;s the beginning of the end of the series, that&#8217;s why!   I got one email from a reader who thought &#8220;Gerran gave up too easily about getting Branna.&#8221;   Well, the point was that Gerran had <strong>learned</strong>  from past experience, though he couldn&#8217;t remember the details.  That&#8217;s one point of the entire series, after all.   Everyone knows that Neb and Branna will get together.  Why build up false suspense?</p>
<p>The last past life incident is the one in STONE, which closes the pattern set up in Books 1 and 2. There won&#8217;t be one in THE SHADOW ISLE.  I tell you this now so you can brace yourself.  <img src='http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Things have to come to an end <strong>somewhere</strong>.  Of course, now that I saw this so confidently, my unconscious mind will probably demand some kind of flashback . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/katharinekerr/misc/gloom-and-doom-review-style#comment-35796</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that part of the reason for obsessing over negative reviews stems from the fact that many authors need/want to understand &lt;em&gt;why&lt;/em&gt; someone didn't like their work.

I tend to find that reviewers can often be quite poor at explaining just why they think something is bad, it's all too easy for them to be dismissive and say that something &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; bad, but it's more effort to produce a reasoned argument to support the conclusion.

I imagine you probably have less of an issue with, and are less bothered by, reviews that are critical but leave you understanding that "well, that's their taste, I happen to disagree."

Whereas a throwaway lead-in comment like "After the disappointment of THE GOLD FALCON" leaves no explanation of why they were disappointed and gives you no (though I hate the term) closure.  It nags away at the back of your mind wondering "why were they disappointed?"  It's a badly written bit of reviewing in that it provides no context, only judgement, and even though it's not the main point of the review (which is about a different book), it sticks in your mind.

I actually agree with the reviewer: "The Gold Falcon" &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; "a disappointment".  Not because it was a bad book - it was an excellent book, I loved reading it - but because it wasn't what I expected.  The hallmark previous-lives  of the series were missing and the whole was much more linear than the others.  I bought the book expecting one thing and got something else, and in that sense there was a disappointment, despite the fact that I still thought the book was fantastic.

In that respect, reading "The Spirit Stone" &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; a "return to form".  If I were a time and word-count pressed reviewer, I can imagine condensing that down to "After the disappointment of...", but without the explanation it's a much more hurtful and negative comment.

Without explanation it leaves you unable to learn from the experience and improve your craft, or to decide that the negative comment is irrelevent to what &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; want to achieve.

Of course the fact that you're being criticised personally for something that you had forced on you only makes it seem even more injust and will get under the skin that much more.

On a closing note, in case any of &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; negative comments rankle, I consider the Deverry books (all of them, no exceptions!) to be in my top-three must-read recommendations to anyone who is even thinking of picking up a fantasy novel.  I'd give my reasons but it's off-topic and I've gone on way too long already...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that part of the reason for obsessing over negative reviews stems from the fact that many authors need/want to understand <em>why</em> someone didn&#8217;t like their work.</p>
<p>I tend to find that reviewers can often be quite poor at explaining just why they think something is bad, it&#8217;s all too easy for them to be dismissive and say that something <em>is</em> bad, but it&#8217;s more effort to produce a reasoned argument to support the conclusion.</p>
<p>I imagine you probably have less of an issue with, and are less bothered by, reviews that are critical but leave you understanding that &#8220;well, that&#8217;s their taste, I happen to disagree.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whereas a throwaway lead-in comment like &#8220;After the disappointment of THE GOLD FALCON&#8221; leaves no explanation of why they were disappointed and gives you no (though I hate the term) closure.  It nags away at the back of your mind wondering &#8220;why were they disappointed?&#8221;  It&#8217;s a badly written bit of reviewing in that it provides no context, only judgement, and even though it&#8217;s not the main point of the review (which is about a different book), it sticks in your mind.</p>
<p>I actually agree with the reviewer: &#8220;The Gold Falcon&#8221; <em>was</em> &#8220;a disappointment&#8221;.  Not because it was a bad book - it was an excellent book, I loved reading it - but because it wasn&#8217;t what I expected.  The hallmark previous-lives  of the series were missing and the whole was much more linear than the others.  I bought the book expecting one thing and got something else, and in that sense there was a disappointment, despite the fact that I still thought the book was fantastic.</p>
<p>In that respect, reading &#8220;The Spirit Stone&#8221; <em>was</em> a &#8220;return to form&#8221;.  If I were a time and word-count pressed reviewer, I can imagine condensing that down to &#8220;After the disappointment of&#8230;&#8221;, but without the explanation it&#8217;s a much more hurtful and negative comment.</p>
<p>Without explanation it leaves you unable to learn from the experience and improve your craft, or to decide that the negative comment is irrelevent to what <em>you</em> want to achieve.</p>
<p>Of course the fact that you&#8217;re being criticised personally for something that you had forced on you only makes it seem even more injust and will get under the skin that much more.</p>
<p>On a closing note, in case any of <em>my</em> negative comments rankle, I consider the Deverry books (all of them, no exceptions!) to be in my top-three must-read recommendations to anyone who is even thinking of picking up a fantasy novel.  I&#8217;d give my reasons but it&#8217;s off-topic and I&#8217;ve gone on way too long already&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Katharine Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katharine Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the point of this discussion is why authors can be overly sensitive, not the merits of GOLD FALCON, though I do thank those who liked it -- and those who didn't, for thei opinions.

No book of mine has ever gotten uniform reviewes, good back or in between.  I suspect that the same is true of every book ever written, at least those written after the invention of reviews.  :-)  


Sadhu, there is no way that Salamander will ever be the same person he was before abusing his dweomer powers and going completely mad, to say nothing of losing the women he loved in various ways.  Even in genre novels, characters grow and change, often for the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the point of this discussion is why authors can be overly sensitive, not the merits of GOLD FALCON, though I do thank those who liked it &#8212; and those who didn&#8217;t, for thei opinions.</p>
<p>No book of mine has ever gotten uniform reviewes, good back or in between.  I suspect that the same is true of every book ever written, at least those written after the invention of reviews.  <img src='http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Sadhu, there is no way that Salamander will ever be the same person he was before abusing his dweomer powers and going completely mad, to say nothing of losing the women he loved in various ways.  Even in genre novels, characters grow and change, often for the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Sadhu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sadhu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 12:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I simply think PW was right about Gold Falcon and also about Spirit Stone. Your editors just did not show you the right way.
I think if you google a bit you'll find more disappointed comments from readers about Gold Falcon on the web.
So maybe that is why it got you so much... because there is a truth in it.
I do love your books. The blue sprite, Evandar's country, and Haen Marn were all amazing.
Please do not make them all disappear... 
And I also hope that my favourite character Salamander (who seems to have lost his abundant creativity and lightheartedness now that he is 'cured' by Dallandra) will find some of his joy and sense of freedom again. 
But your stories are all just great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I simply think PW was right about Gold Falcon and also about Spirit Stone. Your editors just did not show you the right way.<br />
I think if you google a bit you&#8217;ll find more disappointed comments from readers about Gold Falcon on the web.<br />
So maybe that is why it got you so much&#8230; because there is a truth in it.<br />
I do love your books. The blue sprite, Evandar&#8217;s country, and Haen Marn were all amazing.<br />
Please do not make them all disappear&#8230;<br />
And I also hope that my favourite character Salamander (who seems to have lost his abundant creativity and lightheartedness now that he is &#8216;cured&#8217; by Dallandra) will find some of his joy and sense of freedom again.<br />
But your stories are all just great.</p>
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		<title>By: Alisar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alisar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too waited with baited breath for the Gold Falcon and I loved every bit of it - my only disappointment was that once it was over I then had to start the wait again for the Spirit Stone!  The Deverry books are without a doubt the best series I've ever read and I shall be re-reading the entire series while I wait for the final instalment - I wouldn't worry too much about what the review said - the true test is what the fans think and we all loved the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too waited with baited breath for the Gold Falcon and I loved every bit of it - my only disappointment was that once it was over I then had to start the wait again for the Spirit Stone!  The Deverry books are without a doubt the best series I&#8217;ve ever read and I shall be re-reading the entire series while I wait for the final instalment - I wouldn&#8217;t worry too much about what the review said - the true test is what the fans think and we all loved the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Narda, Avid Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Narda, Avid Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I waited with baited breath for Gold Falcon, re-reading my excerpted pages between rereading the entire series. Then counted days until The Spirit Stone arrived in my mailbox.  A delicious three-day journey (forced myself to pace it out--my husband gets testy when I read all night!)  And now more waiting until the final installment of this marvelous story!  The "critics" are just jealous that they can't keep up this kind of long-term, consistent production.  Yes, Gold Falcon was more straight-forward than the earlier books, so what?  The headlong rush of characters' lives was exhilarating! Now I will start all over with Daggerspell, and enjoy it as much as the first time through.  Thanks for a great, entertaining series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I waited with baited breath for Gold Falcon, re-reading my excerpted pages between rereading the entire series. Then counted days until The Spirit Stone arrived in my mailbox.  A delicious three-day journey (forced myself to pace it out&#8211;my husband gets testy when I read all night!)  And now more waiting until the final installment of this marvelous story!  The &#8220;critics&#8221; are just jealous that they can&#8217;t keep up this kind of long-term, consistent production.  Yes, Gold Falcon was more straight-forward than the earlier books, so what?  The headlong rush of characters&#8217; lives was exhilarating! Now I will start all over with Daggerspell, and enjoy it as much as the first time through.  Thanks for a great, entertaining series.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connie H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 12:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chip Delany told my Clarion West class that if he got a bad review, he stewed over it for an hour, but if he got a good review, he'd be floating on a cloud for the next day, unable to write.  On the whole, he'd concluded that bad reviews were better for his writing.  :-)

I try to keep this in mind, but it still hurts like spit, at least at the time.  It's the long run that really counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chip Delany told my Clarion West class that if he got a bad review, he stewed over it for an hour, but if he got a good review, he&#8217;d be floating on a cloud for the next day, unable to write.  On the whole, he&#8217;d concluded that bad reviews were better for his writing.  <img src='http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I try to keep this in mind, but it still hurts like spit, at least at the time.  It&#8217;s the long run that really counts.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 16:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Itâ€™s clear that publications like The New York Times deliberately choose reviewers who are going to be hostile to the book in question. I see this so often, especially with works I have read myself, and I can see the reviewer is being political, and not fair, and you wonder why in the world did the editor call this guy with that assignement&lt;/em&gt;

The New York Review of SF does this fairly often -- for instance, they got Brian Stableford to review the recent Hartwell/Kramer space opera behemoth, knowing full well that he disagreed with their version of the subgenre's history -- and it usually works well, producing interesting reviews. I think there's something to be said for giving a book like that to an avowed sceptic, rather than someone who already agrees with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Itâ€™s clear that publications like The New York Times deliberately choose reviewers who are going to be hostile to the book in question. I see this so often, especially with works I have read myself, and I can see the reviewer is being political, and not fair, and you wonder why in the world did the editor call this guy with that assignement</em></p>
<p>The New York Review of SF does this fairly often &#8212; for instance, they got Brian Stableford to review the recent Hartwell/Kramer space opera behemoth, knowing full well that he disagreed with their version of the subgenre&#8217;s history &#8212; and it usually works well, producing interesting reviews. I think there&#8217;s something to be said for giving a book like that to an avowed sceptic, rather than someone who already agrees with it.</p>
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		<title>By: soddit</title>
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		<dc:creator>soddit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 13:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so much a comment on reviews themselves, but a comment on The Gold Falcon. Read it. Loved it. 'nuff said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so much a comment on reviews themselves, but a comment on The Gold Falcon. Read it. Loved it. &#8217;nuff said.</p>
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