Buffy’s New Romance (Season 8)

March 5th, 2008

[ Mr. Whedon has developed their liaison over several issues. In No. 3 Buffy is overcome by a “Sleeping Beauty” spell undone only by a kiss from someone who loves her. In No. 4 Buffy realizes that Satsu saved her. Last month the pair discussed Satsu’s feelings. Buffy, although flattered by Satsu’s attentions, said the risks of involvement were too great. “People who love me tend to … oh, die,” she said. Or, she added, they leave, because “sooner or later everybody realizes there’s something wrong … something wrong with me, or around me.”

The matter seemed resolved, but in the newest issue, No. 12 — written by Drew Goddard, the screenwriter of “Cloverfield” — Buffy and Satsu are in bed, naked under the sheets. “It puts the reader in this ‘Oh my God’ moment,” Mr. Whedon said during a telephone interview. “And it puts Buffy in an ‘Oh my God, what did I just do?’ moment.”

But before fans start blogging frantically, they should know that Mr. Whedon is clear where this is headed. “We’re not going to make her gay, nor are we going to take the next 50 issues explaining that she’s not. She’s young and experimenting, and did I mention open-minded?” ]

 More here.

 Love, C.

13 Responses to “Buffy’s New Romance (Season 8)”

  1. Constance Ashon 05 Mar 2008 at 12:15 pm

    It’s one of those serendipitous things, that this little article appeared in the NY Times this a.m. My brain is more unanchored than usual — first leg of the book tour for The World That Made New Orleans: From Spanish Silver to Congo Square kicked off last week in New Orleans and, as of today, Baton Rouge. So the brain lurches outside of its usual routine.

    For three nights running, while waiting to fall asleep, or fall back asleep, or somewhere on the edges of sleep the images thrown up were of Oz and Willow and Buffy, and then Willow and Tara. Some time back I’d caught Seth Greene in his like, total asshole? role on Entourage. It had made an impression because it was so NOT Oz; I really, like totally, disliked this dorkdong, yanno?

    It evidently got me thinking werewolves, and thus back to Buffy, and the marvelous turns of storyline and plots Buffy displayed, rooted in character. Willow, by all evidence was hetero. Her long-time unrequited love was Xander. Oz broke her heart. How was it then, that the romance and passion that bloomed between Willow and Tara was convincing?

    Ah-ha! I thought. How was it Oz broke her heart? (There is such an experience as heart break. I’ve experienced it.) By the irresistable pull of his own kind. He betrayed Willow with another werewolf. Willow fell in love with another witch. Werewolf nature and witch nature call to each other, fit with each. (Unless they want to kill each other, has happened with Oz and Veruca.)

    Nevertheless, this may be part of why we believed in the Willow – Tara pairing. It was in their characters, as witches. We, and Willow, at least, just hadn’t known it yet.

    Love, C.

  2. Kevin Andrew Murphyon 05 Mar 2008 at 1:14 pm

    Well, there’s also the current Willow-Kennedy pairing, though that seems strained, at least given Willow’s current comments.

    What I think the case is with Willow is is that she’s bi but denying it because of wanting to keep up her “lesbian street cred” as she put it in one episode.

    Of course, I will mention a continuity goof in the current storyline–Amy teleported a flayed Warren away before he died, saving him to be her flayed warlock boyfriend (and she must have really been into those Hellraiser movies), but that means he didn’t die…which brings into question The First Evil’s shtick of appearing as the dead.

    These are not the droids you are looking for….

  3. Constance Ashon 05 Mar 2008 at 6:37 pm

    [ … Amy teleported a flayed Warren away before he died, saving him to be her flayed warlock boyfriend ….]

    Eeeeeuuuuuuu! Just — eeeeuuuuu!

    As I posted to an older Buffy entry thread (She Saved the World A Lot) in response to a comment that I am guessing was intended to go here — I’ve never figured out that comix buying thang. So I’ve missed all of the installments of Season 8.

    I have to count on you and others like you to keep me up to date.


    Love, C.

  4. Michael Phillipson 05 Mar 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Nope, I intended that post to go where it went. You folks have a search bar, I assume that you don’t do anything to keep Google from spidering your archives (and how is it that Firefox doesn’t know “spidering?” Firefox’s dictionary is woefully short of technical terms from the internet.) And the net is mostly timeless, so I posted it where it was relevant.

    I went out and bought issue twelve this afternoon, and I have to say that this is the best handling of the subject I’ve ever seen. (The subject being Someone being not exactly at the far ends of the Kinsey scale crossed with Buffy’s “secrets are bad” theme.)

    I’ve been 80/20 on the comics so far, but this one feels more right than most of the previous ones. (Though I will forgive a lot of sins for the Faith/Giles Emma Peel/John Steed cover.)

  5. Constance Ashon 06 Mar 2008 at 3:44 pm

    Whedon has a multitude of satisfied customers!

    Love, C.

  6. ehjoneson 06 Mar 2008 at 7:51 pm

    You know, I looked this article over hoping to gain some insight into one of my own projects. Joss Whedon is great, there’s no doubt. I love the Firefly universe, the Buffyverse, Angel, and his comic work is stellar. But you know, Whedon can get away with a lot of things a lesser known writer/creator can’t.

    I’m working on a comic book project (nothing on the scale of Buffy, or any of Whedon’s work, certainly), and I’ve been facing a dilemma. There’s a young female character who is unsure of her sexuality. She’s a supporting cast member, not the lead, and her curiousity is only a minor plot point, but it leads heavily into the motivations of another character and a very large plot point in the future. But I’m nobody. I’m nothing, absolutely no comic book street cred. I’m afraid that something like that, unless executed incredibly well (which I am trying to do, but, you know, self confidence and all…), will be an automatic rejection when it’s submitted. So I’m bouncing back and forth on whether I have the confidence to tackle this. If I drop the subplot, then I’ll have to do some serious re-working.

    Season 8 of Buffy has been amazing, though, and seeing where it’s going with this development will be fun. And seeing reader reaction might help me determine where my own path should take me.

  7. Constance Ashon 07 Mar 2008 at 4:26 pm

    You might like looking at this, re Dollhouse, the project Whedon’s doing with Dushko. Feminists are not happy. They were anxious upon the first announcement of it back before the Writers Strike. Now the Strike’s over and they’re putting out the casting calls — and as SF/F Feminists say, it looks much like Dollhouse fails the Frank Miller Test.

    Whedon may not be able to get away with everything … ?

    This is on Feminist SF — The Blog: Essays by Black SF/F Authors Exploring History, Culture, Race & thnicity »Dollhouse will fail the Frank Miller test — Damn! The link button STILL doesn’t work on comments.

    Also go here, because it provides the links to Entertainment Weekly, etc., that authenticate the list of characters, etc. :


    Love, C.

  8. b!Xon 08 Mar 2008 at 12:31 am

    Feminists are not happy.

    More accurately, some feminists are not happy, based upon nothing more than a character list and a miscomprehension that the show is about prostitutes.

  9. Constance Ashon 08 Mar 2008 at 1:19 am

    Where is the misapprehension that the Dolls are not prostitutes?

    Love, C.

  10. Kevin Andrew Murphyon 09 Mar 2008 at 2:02 pm

    I’m probably mangling the quote, but I believe W.E. Du Bois once said, “The black community wants their art and their propaganda to be one and the same.”

    The black community is hardly unique in this.

    The feminist community, the gay community, the [insert name of] community do the same tricks. Any time you get someone who styles themselves an activist, they’ll attack any artist who wants to do anything other than praise them as the day is long.

    I remember when “Poets Against the War” started up, the Wall Street Opinion Journal decided to style itself a poetry critic, savaging all the poets who appeared therein for singing anything other than praisesongs and rosy predictions for their upcoming pet war. (Note: I was one of the poets therein.)

    I think it’s the duty of the the artist to take note of activists, but mostly ignore them. If you create characters who are true to life, the activists will attack them for not being paragons of all virtues. Meanwhile, regular members of those communities may be annoyed at spots where the characterization falls flat or steps into stereotype, but mostly will be pleased that they’re actually being represented, rather than simply ignored. Though if the activists cause too much of a ruckus, sometimes ignoring the community in question is the easiest course, if not the best one.

    I think the best advice on the matter is from Virginia Woolf: “Write what you wish to write.”

  11. Constance Ashon 09 Mar 2008 at 10:39 pm

    [ “The black community wants their art and their propaganda to be one and the same.” ]

    That’s worse than mangled. As anyone who has ears for period knows without even checking it out.




    [ … they’ll attack any artist who wants to do anything other than praise them as the day is long. ]

    That is really, well an ugly manner of expressing dissent.

    While not bringing in any elements that would provide point in a debate, yanno?

    Love, C.

  12. Kevin Andrew Murphyon 10 Mar 2008 at 9:52 am

    It may be an ugly manner of expressing dissent, but if you want true ugliness, you should read the things people say about dissenting artists.

    But to give a citation, here’s what the Wall Street Opinion Journal & James Taranto had to say about poets (including me) who disagreed with their upcoming pet war:


    Admittedly yes, that’s the political right, but I’ve seen the same sort of slurs from folk on the left, though more often in message board posts or sound bytes from someone picketing a movie, rather than a major (and easily linked) publication.

  13. jennaon 27 Apr 2008 at 1:18 pm

    Buffy’s bi now witch is something I saw coming if you look back at the Buffy faith relationship there was kind of sexual tension going on between them I didn’t read the comic book yet so I don’t know how I feel about the new slayer yet
    But this will open new sexual doors for Buffy maybe a spike slayer sandwich wink wink but slayer & slayer sex has to be grate & long lasting but I still like spuffy shipping better anyway i think this is a good thing I wonder what smg thinks of this being that she just found out about it about the same time i did

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