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	<description>Writing and Reading. Commerce and Art. Fantasy and Science Fiction. Discuss.</description>
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		<title>By: DeepGenre &#187; Love Letters</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeepGenre &#187; Love Letters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some among us now and then may invest a character with a bit of wish fulfillment. Iâ€™m not immune to this urge, and at times I indulge it cautiously and with (I hope) restraint. At the extreme, this is called writing a â€œMary Sueâ€ story, a subject that has been discussed earlier on Deep Genre here and here by Sherwood. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some among us now and then may invest a character with a bit of wish fulfillment. Iâ€™m not immune to this urge, and at times I indulge it cautiously and with (I hope) restraint. At the extreme, this is called writing a â€œMary Sueâ€ story, a subject that has been discussed earlier on Deep Genre here and here by Sherwood. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Underwood</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/ssmith/misc/mary-sue-heroes-and-protagonists#comment-1188</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Underwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please donâ€™t start anywhere with Deverry

Kit, I apologize for this reference. I hope you weren't too upset by it. It's just that I started your series on &lt;em&gt;The Bristling Wood &lt;/em&gt;because that was the Deverry book that was on the shelf at the time I was pillaging my local bookstore and it looked awfully interesting.  But! I did go back and start from the beginning as soon as I was done with &lt;em&gt;The Bristling Wood&lt;/em&gt;. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please donâ€™t start anywhere with Deverry</p>
<p>Kit, I apologize for this reference. I hope you weren&#8217;t too upset by it. It&#8217;s just that I started your series on <em>The Bristling Wood </em>because that was the Deverry book that was on the shelf at the time I was pillaging my local bookstore and it looked awfully interesting.  But! I did go back and start from the beginning as soon as I was done with <em>The Bristling Wood</em>. <img src='http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Katharine Kerr</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/ssmith/misc/mary-sue-heroes-and-protagonists#comment-1181</link>
		<dc:creator>Katharine Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Does anyone else feel that perhaps genre fiction could benefit from a bit less heroism and a bit moreâ€¦ errâ€¦ protagonism? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I certainly do.  And to me that is indeed one of the marks of "deep genre".

Actually, please don't start anywhere with Deverry.  I planned it to be started at the beginning with DAGGERSPELL.  There is a definite structure to the overall plan -- it's merely a Celtic one and rambles a bit.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Does anyone else feel that perhaps genre fiction could benefit from a bit less heroism and a bit moreâ€¦ errâ€¦ protagonism? </p></blockquote>
<p>I certainly do.  And to me that is indeed one of the marks of &#8220;deep genre&#8221;.</p>
<p>Actually, please don&#8217;t start anywhere with Deverry.  I planned it to be started at the beginning with DAGGERSPELL.  There is a definite structure to the overall plan &#8212; it&#8217;s merely a Celtic one and rambles a bit.  <img src='http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sherwood Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/ssmith/misc/mary-sue-heroes-and-protagonists#comment-1167</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherwood Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent suggestion--perhaps that is one of the things that "deep genre" writers are striving for in their work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent suggestion&#8211;perhaps that is one of the things that &#8220;deep genre&#8221; writers are striving for in their work?</p>
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		<title>By: Molly Newman</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/ssmith/misc/mary-sue-heroes-and-protagonists#comment-1165</link>
		<dc:creator>Molly Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone else feel that perhaps genre fiction could benefit from a bit less heroism and a bit more... err... protagonism? "Mary Sue" or not, all the hell-bent-for-glory heroic types do get a bit wearying. I find it more interesting to read (and write) about characters who are thrown into situations not of their own making and who have to dig deep within themselves to find the wherewithal to survive.

Fantasy, in particular, is so often about the Saving of the World or the Will of the Gods or some such lofty goal that the characters' humanity tends to get steamrolled by the plot. Maybe that's why I liked &lt;em&gt;Jonathan Strange&lt;/em&gt; so much... the characters came alive; I couldn't stop thinking about them; they were the literary equivalent of earworms. Bookworms?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else feel that perhaps genre fiction could benefit from a bit less heroism and a bit more&#8230; err&#8230; protagonism? &#8220;Mary Sue&#8221; or not, all the hell-bent-for-glory heroic types do get a bit wearying. I find it more interesting to read (and write) about characters who are thrown into situations not of their own making and who have to dig deep within themselves to find the wherewithal to survive.</p>
<p>Fantasy, in particular, is so often about the Saving of the World or the Will of the Gods or some such lofty goal that the characters&#8217; humanity tends to get steamrolled by the plot. Maybe that&#8217;s why I liked <em>Jonathan Strange</em> so much&#8230; the characters came alive; I couldn&#8217;t stop thinking about them; they were the literary equivalent of earworms. Bookworms?</p>
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		<title>By: Sherwood Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/ssmith/misc/mary-sue-heroes-and-protagonists#comment-1164</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherwood Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 23:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...whereas i bow to Kit's precedence in this matter.

But if you are going to try our books--and Erin is right, you can start anywhere with Deverry--please do try Kate Elliott's splendid &lt;i&gt;Crown of Stars&lt;/i&gt; story arc.

As well as all the works mentioned by the habitues of this salon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;whereas i bow to Kit&#8217;s precedence in this matter.</p>
<p>But if you are going to try our books&#8211;and Erin is right, you can start anywhere with Deverry&#8211;please do try Kate Elliott&#8217;s splendid <i>Crown of Stars</i> story arc.</p>
<p>As well as all the works mentioned by the habitues of this salon.</p>
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		<title>By: Katharine Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katharine Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Blushing furiously&lt;/strong&gt;

Anyone who likes my stuff will really lke Sherwood's.  I consider her the superior wordsmith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Blushing furiously</strong></p>
<p>Anyone who likes my stuff will really lke Sherwood&#8217;s.  I consider her the superior wordsmith.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Underwood</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/ssmith/misc/mary-sue-heroes-and-protagonists#comment-1153</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Underwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muneraven: This is a priceless image.  I love it!

&lt;blockquote&gt;That whole Beat writers thing was hugely appealing to me and I just wanted to dress in black and take off across America with a typewriter, writing stream of consciousness stuff and seeing the world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The professor who taught my Irish Lit class also organized a trip to Ireland (she does this with a different lit course every spring semester), which included visiting sites important to Yates, Synge, Heaney, Oâ€™Brien, Wilde, Joyce, etc. However, doing the truncated Ulysses Walk was the best! A close second was our Irish bus driver who quoted Yeats and others from memory while we drove around the countryside. The only problem is that now I want to go back to Ireland and pen my way through a novel while living along the Connemara coastline.

I havenâ€™t yet had the pleasure of reading Sherwoodâ€™s work although Iâ€™ve got a copy of &lt;em&gt;Inda &lt;/em&gt;on order from Amazon. I think I am Amazonâ€™s biggest client! :-)

Iâ€™ve been reading Katharineâ€™s Deverry series for years and Iâ€™ve loved every book. Personally, I think her way of using the timeline is genius because it allows a reader to enter at any point in the story and not feel lost. Plus, it exemplifies the importance of the connection between the past, present, and future events.  (If you do start in the middle, you should definitely go back to the first book. Otherwise youâ€™ll miss some of the great story moments.) Over the years, Iâ€™ve been gifting the first few books of Kitâ€™s series to my friends and nearly all of them continued reading the entire series. I have a feeling that you will really enjoy them too.

I would also like to tell all of the DeepGenre authors that they are truly doing a wonderful service for new and struggling writers with this blog. Iâ€™ve learned more about writing here than I have learned in a long time. The shared experience and information that is posted by the DG authors and the DG community is invaluable, interesting, and downright fun to read. In addition, I think that they could cobble together a great book on â€œHow to Write (literary) Genre Fiction.â€ I can see it now! They already have loads of content for chapters on Mary Sue, Hooking the Reader, Sample 13 Line Critiques, Vampires, Fantasy vs Science Fiction, Know Your Hovel, Genre Definitions, Conventions, etcâ€¦.  :-)

At the risk of getting carried away, Iâ€™ll end this post here. Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muneraven: This is a priceless image.  I love it!</p>
<blockquote><p>That whole Beat writers thing was hugely appealing to me and I just wanted to dress in black and take off across America with a typewriter, writing stream of consciousness stuff and seeing the world.</p></blockquote>
<p>The professor who taught my Irish Lit class also organized a trip to Ireland (she does this with a different lit course every spring semester), which included visiting sites important to Yates, Synge, Heaney, Oâ€™Brien, Wilde, Joyce, etc. However, doing the truncated Ulysses Walk was the best! A close second was our Irish bus driver who quoted Yeats and others from memory while we drove around the countryside. The only problem is that now I want to go back to Ireland and pen my way through a novel while living along the Connemara coastline.</p>
<p>I havenâ€™t yet had the pleasure of reading Sherwoodâ€™s work although Iâ€™ve got a copy of <em>Inda </em>on order from Amazon. I think I am Amazonâ€™s biggest client! <img src='http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Iâ€™ve been reading Katharineâ€™s Deverry series for years and Iâ€™ve loved every book. Personally, I think her way of using the timeline is genius because it allows a reader to enter at any point in the story and not feel lost. Plus, it exemplifies the importance of the connection between the past, present, and future events.  (If you do start in the middle, you should definitely go back to the first book. Otherwise youâ€™ll miss some of the great story moments.) Over the years, Iâ€™ve been gifting the first few books of Kitâ€™s series to my friends and nearly all of them continued reading the entire series. I have a feeling that you will really enjoy them too.</p>
<p>I would also like to tell all of the DeepGenre authors that they are truly doing a wonderful service for new and struggling writers with this blog. Iâ€™ve learned more about writing here than I have learned in a long time. The shared experience and information that is posted by the DG authors and the DG community is invaluable, interesting, and downright fun to read. In addition, I think that they could cobble together a great book on â€œHow to Write (literary) Genre Fiction.â€ I can see it now! They already have loads of content for chapters on Mary Sue, Hooking the Reader, Sample 13 Line Critiques, Vampires, Fantasy vs Science Fiction, Know Your Hovel, Genre Definitions, Conventions, etcâ€¦.  <img src='http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>At the risk of getting carried away, Iâ€™ll end this post here. Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Sherwood Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/ssmith/misc/mary-sue-heroes-and-protagonists#comment-1151</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherwood Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Pale Fire&lt;/i&gt; is definitely the Nabokov that appeals most, though it's still on the edge of the books I reread.

Thanks!  (If you do read one of mine, i hope you enjoy it!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Pale Fire</i> is definitely the Nabokov that appeals most, though it&#8217;s still on the edge of the books I reread.</p>
<p>Thanks!  (If you do read one of mine, i hope you enjoy it!)</p>
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		<title>By: Muneraven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muneraven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sherwood:  I love Nabokov's "Pale Fire."  It was a revelation to me that a postmodern novel could make me laugh out loud.

Erin:  I read Kerouac in college . . ."On the Road."  That book almost made me drop out of school.  That whole Beat writers thing was hugely appealing to me and I just wanted to dress in black and take off across America with a typewriter, writing stream of consciousness stuff and seeing the world.  

I don't think I've still quite gotten over it.  :-)

Sherwood and Katherine:  I don't know if you two ever wonder if this website is worth your time in terms of personal benefits.  (I would wonder, lol.)  I thought you'd like to know that I enjoy your posts here and so went looking for your books today.   I'm looking forward to sampling your work.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sherwood:  I love Nabokov&#8217;s &#8220;Pale Fire.&#8221;  It was a revelation to me that a postmodern novel could make me laugh out loud.</p>
<p>Erin:  I read Kerouac in college . . .&#8221;On the Road.&#8221;  That book almost made me drop out of school.  That whole Beat writers thing was hugely appealing to me and I just wanted to dress in black and take off across America with a typewriter, writing stream of consciousness stuff and seeing the world.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve still quite gotten over it.  <img src='http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sherwood and Katherine:  I don&#8217;t know if you two ever wonder if this website is worth your time in terms of personal benefits.  (I would wonder, lol.)  I thought you&#8217;d like to know that I enjoy your posts here and so went looking for your books today.   I&#8217;m looking forward to sampling your work.  <img src='http://www.deepgenre.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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